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The conservative argument against saving lives

Jan 8, 2013
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It happens occasionally, I ask myself: “Is it me?” The question is a housekeeping function of sanity. “Am I the one who’s insane?” You spend some time calling other people unreasonable, you need to know. Crazy things were said, someone is crazy.

Do you really want to be an organ donor?
By Paul A. Byrne, M.D.

Life on earth continues until true death. Prior to the desire to get organs for transplantation, no one was declared dead with a beating heart, circulation, or breathing. Every organ for transplantation is taken from a living person. Would anyone with common sense believe that a cadaver, a dead body, would have organs that could be transplanted?

Is someone making a faith-based case against organ transplantation? Yes they are.

“Brain death” was concocted to get beating hearts and other vital organs for transplantation. A living body can become a dead body only by going through true death (L. mors vera); what then remains is a cadaver. A vital organ that occurs singly, e.g., the heart, cannot be transplanted from a cadaver. Donors must be living. Much information about these significant matters of life and death is kept from the public. What you do not know can kill you.

Your brain is dead. You will never know, think or feel again. But don’t you swallow the liberal argument just yet:

Any priest worth his salt would not deny Baptism to someone with a beating heart, circulation, and respiration (assuming that this is an infant of Catholic parents or an adult scheduled for Baptism in the near future). If the priest can baptize, can he accept and theologically authorize cutting into the chest of this same person to cut out the beating heart for transplantation into another person? Every heart that is transplanted is a healthy heart taken from a living person who is killed in the process.

Let the heart die, and whoever needs it as well. The ostensible Christian argument in defense of human life. You read something like this, you don’t need to check who’s crazy for a while.

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  1. Rev. Howard Furst  •  Jan 8, 2013 @11:25 am
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    Obviously, keeping a beating heart alive in a recipent then keeps the donor more alive than is the case in mors vera (the reference to true death reminds one of the Vampires in True Blood, noting that Jesus’ followers are urged to drink His blood and eat His flesh). In which organ does a soul reside? Does a heart transplant trap the donor’s soul in the earthly plane, thereby causing theological complications not anticipated in the Bible? How about a liver or cornea or kidney? Is there a problem with using un-Baptized people or non-Christians as donors? Would this confuse St. Peter at the Pearl Gates when the organ recipient eventually dies? Would Protestant donors be acceptable for Catholic recipients, close enough for all parts to make it into heaven, but not burdened by the horseshit promulgated by Dr. Byrne in the passages quoted above?

  2. jp  •  Jan 8, 2013 @12:17 pm
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    I…just…wow.
    Every time I think the wingnuts have reached the limit of religion-based irrational cruelty, they raise the bar.

    Interesting how they define “life.” As long as the husk of bone and flesh retains its mechanical functions (a heartbeat, even if no vestige of sentience will ever return), it’s defined as “life.” Zygotes, “life.”

    And when you couple that obsessive fetish with the absolute indifference they show to the palpable suffering of active, walking, conscious beings on a daily basis…it’s an overwhelming contradiction.

    On the bright side, I’m enamored of the “housekeeping function of sanity” concept. Good call.

  3. toma  •  Jan 8, 2013 @1:07 pm
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    It makes you wonder what they’re really about, jp. It certainly isn’t about making our or their lives any better. It looks like they’d rather prove that God was right: we’re all abominable. If you go out of your way to save one of us disgusting types, aren’t we spitting in His face? Maybe? I think they’d rather let people die than risk saving lives and thereby mock His judgment.

  4. Rev. Howard Furst  •  Jan 8, 2013 @4:52 pm
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    Sanity probably does have some survival value within Jehovah’s Grand Process of evolution, but unfortunately Father Darwin is also very tolerant of a vast range of asinine belief systems. Many or most people go through a complete lifetime with heads full of false or stupid beliefs, often with more detriment to others than to themselves. When the great Hindoo Saint Ramakrishna was asked why God allowed evil to exist, he replied “To thicken the plot!”. So it is with stupidity as well.

  5. toma  •  Jan 8, 2013 @5:23 pm
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    Consider our plot thick as a blast wall.

    I like the idea of body parts having sectarian souls. Imagine the pork-loving Baptist Bubba-liver transplanted into a strict Muslim. How about the foot of a whirling Dervish attached to a Zen Buddhist? Or an Amish gut/pancreas transplant into one of those Evangelical war hawks? He’d literally no longer have the stomach for it. He couldn’t even kill himself. Life in peace-loving hell.

  6. Rev. Howard Furst  •  Jan 10, 2013 @5:21 am
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    Another flaw in Dr. Byrne’s argument is that many of the greatest Saints in Church history were martyrs who suffered early, arguably premature, deaths. Saint Peter was crucified upside down, for Christ’s sake, and the storybooks about martyred Saints are catalogs of bloody horror. This apparently did not impair their entry into Heaven, but evidently boosted their position in the celestial hierarchy. This would likely also be the case with organ donors, even unwilling ones – a reliable ticket into Heaven.

  7. toma  •  Jan 11, 2013 @2:15 am
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    Dr. Byrne’s running short on generosity and sacrifice. Though a man’s life is 99.9% over, Byrne rages against the idea of his donating soon to be rigor-ed body parts to save perfectly good young lives. The Christian example to him is the modern American one: being victimized and aggrieved. To the point of pushing away the doctor vultures in order to get in those last few sentience-free breaths, before the scheming liberals slice you to ribbons. The Saints were probably immortal anyway, and the suffering was merely plot-driven. Let’s see those pussies try to live under an Obama administration.

  8. jp  •  Jan 11, 2013 @7:37 am
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    **It looks like they’d rather prove that God was right: we’re all abominable. If you go out of your way to save one of us disgusting types, aren’t we spitting in His face? **

    And yet don’t kill us either–(Sperm is sacred! Terri Schiavo! Fetus-people!). Weird.

  9. toma  •  Jan 11, 2013 @7:39 pm
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    You’re right. Everybody’s got to stay within the self-hating cage that is American Christianity, traditional kind. You stink. But your life is not your own so don’t bother trying to own it. Powerless, self-negating, and self-loathing — who wouldn’t want to hang around with a flock full of those guys? No wonder we’re always itching for war.